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		<title>By: gigharborjo</title>
		<link>http://countrylife.lehmans.com/2008/09/16/powerless-and-unprepared/comment-page-1/#comment-723</link>
		<dc:creator>gigharborjo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 02:17:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: the Powerless and Unprepared article. Very good article. May I 
offer our website for all matters preparedness, whether it be 
earthquake, winter storm, power outage... We are PEP-C, the 
Peninsula Emergency Preparedness Committee in Gig Harbor, Washington State. Our website is all information - no sales. find us at 
www.pep-c.org -And when I do seminars, I always mention Lehmans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: the Powerless and Unprepared article. Very good article. May I<br />
offer our website for all matters preparedness, whether it be<br />
earthquake, winter storm, power outage&#8230; We are PEP-C, the<br />
Peninsula Emergency Preparedness Committee in Gig Harbor, Washington State. Our website is all information &#8211; no sales. find us at<br />
<a href="http://www.pep-c.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.pep-c.org</a> -And when I do seminars, I always mention Lehmans.</p>
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		<title>By: Sage Blackthorn</title>
		<link>http://countrylife.lehmans.com/2008/09/16/powerless-and-unprepared/comment-page-1/#comment-710</link>
		<dc:creator>Sage Blackthorn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2008 05:31:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wade - you&#039;ve got an edge over us desert dwellers in the refrigeration department. :D 

I have a friend who lives up in the mountains where it actually snows part of the year. If she looses power in the winter, all she has to do is put the frozen foods outside in a wooden or metal chest to keep them from going bad. She also has a wood stove in the living room that her and her husband use to heat the house when needed. Summer time is a bit more difficult of a time for power outages. 

The most important thing I&#039;ve learned over the years is to work with nature, not against it. If you&#039;ve got a cold enough climate to freeze meat outside the house, then you don&#039;t have to worry about the refrigerator going down. Remember that the Inuit store their meat in un-insulated shacks and let nature do the freezing. They just have to keep the polar bears out of it, so they build them on stilts and climb a ladder to get to their pantry. 

If keeping warm is a concern in winter, again I&#039;d say look to past civilizations for the answer. People have figured out ingenious ways to stay comfy in cold weather without electricity and with a minimum of fuel needed. Thick cob or rammed earth walls, straw bale homes, a properly built log cabin.......it&#039;s all about the insulation factor. I was watchin&#039; a show not to long ago that barrowed a technique from the ancient romans and muslims. Before the house was built, the contractor dug down below the frost line and layed a network of pipes in the foundation and covered it over. When the home was built, they tied a heat exchange system into that network of pipes. Now here&#039;s the fun, an anti-freeze type fluid is circulated through those pipes. In the winter, below the frost line the earth remains at a constant temperature that is warmer than the outside air. The liquid in the pipe warms the house through the heat exchange system. In the Summer, the ground is cooler than the outside air, and the system acts like a heat sink drawing heat out of the house and into the ground. The only difference between the modern and ancient system is the ancient system was a system of air ducts instead of fluid filled pipes. And water conducts here many times faster than air does.

See, this is why I love history, archeaology, and anthropology. Ancient peoples have a lot to teach us.

Sage</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wade &#8211; you&#8217;ve got an edge over us desert dwellers in the refrigeration department. <img src='http://countrylife.lehmans.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>I have a friend who lives up in the mountains where it actually snows part of the year. If she looses power in the winter, all she has to do is put the frozen foods outside in a wooden or metal chest to keep them from going bad. She also has a wood stove in the living room that her and her husband use to heat the house when needed. Summer time is a bit more difficult of a time for power outages. </p>
<p>The most important thing I&#8217;ve learned over the years is to work with nature, not against it. If you&#8217;ve got a cold enough climate to freeze meat outside the house, then you don&#8217;t have to worry about the refrigerator going down. Remember that the Inuit store their meat in un-insulated shacks and let nature do the freezing. They just have to keep the polar bears out of it, so they build them on stilts and climb a ladder to get to their pantry. </p>
<p>If keeping warm is a concern in winter, again I&#8217;d say look to past civilizations for the answer. People have figured out ingenious ways to stay comfy in cold weather without electricity and with a minimum of fuel needed. Thick cob or rammed earth walls, straw bale homes, a properly built log cabin&#8230;&#8230;.it&#8217;s all about the insulation factor. I was watchin&#8217; a show not to long ago that barrowed a technique from the ancient romans and muslims. Before the house was built, the contractor dug down below the frost line and layed a network of pipes in the foundation and covered it over. When the home was built, they tied a heat exchange system into that network of pipes. Now here&#8217;s the fun, an anti-freeze type fluid is circulated through those pipes. In the winter, below the frost line the earth remains at a constant temperature that is warmer than the outside air. The liquid in the pipe warms the house through the heat exchange system. In the Summer, the ground is cooler than the outside air, and the system acts like a heat sink drawing heat out of the house and into the ground. The only difference between the modern and ancient system is the ancient system was a system of air ducts instead of fluid filled pipes. And water conducts here many times faster than air does.</p>
<p>See, this is why I love history, archeaology, and anthropology. Ancient peoples have a lot to teach us.</p>
<p>Sage</p>
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		<title>By: fran c</title>
		<link>http://countrylife.lehmans.com/2008/09/16/powerless-and-unprepared/comment-page-1/#comment-708</link>
		<dc:creator>fran c</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 19:40:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is the second time in 3 yrs we in East Texas have gone through a hurricane. First was Rita and now Ike. We have 2 generators, rechargable lanterns, oil lamps and a gas grill. Since we were without water for over a week after Rita we now have a 55 gal water barrel for potable water only. Every thing else is 2 55gal. rain barrels. The only concern left is will our 30 plus gals. of fuel last until the gas stations can get power. Luckily our hurricane reinforced mobile home weathered the storm one more time. I thank God we were more fortunate than our brothers to the south.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is the second time in 3 yrs we in East Texas have gone through a hurricane. First was Rita and now Ike. We have 2 generators, rechargable lanterns, oil lamps and a gas grill. Since we were without water for over a week after Rita we now have a 55 gal water barrel for potable water only. Every thing else is 2 55gal. rain barrels. The only concern left is will our 30 plus gals. of fuel last until the gas stations can get power. Luckily our hurricane reinforced mobile home weathered the storm one more time. I thank God we were more fortunate than our brothers to the south.</p>
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		<title>By: Wade</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 22:03:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sage - you&#039;ve piqued my curiosity.  

In the north country, we tend to focus on how to keep things from freezing solid (including ourselves).  I have come across multi-fuel refrigerators in my reading, but they seem to be undersized and expensive.  I haven&#039;t given much thought to super-insulated appliances refridgerators/freezers.  So long as air flow isn&#039;t impeded across the coils . . . I would think a lot could be done with built-ins.  I wonder what the commercial offerings are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sage &#8211; you&#8217;ve piqued my curiosity.  </p>
<p>In the north country, we tend to focus on how to keep things from freezing solid (including ourselves).  I have come across multi-fuel refrigerators in my reading, but they seem to be undersized and expensive.  I haven&#8217;t given much thought to super-insulated appliances refridgerators/freezers.  So long as air flow isn&#8217;t impeded across the coils . . . I would think a lot could be done with built-ins.  I wonder what the commercial offerings are.</p>
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		<title>By: Sage Blackthorn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sage Blackthorn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 19:48:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Situations like this are one of reasons I&#039;ve really wanted to get my landlord&#039;s permission to install a hybrid solar/wind power system for the house. Alot of people don&#039;t realize how much they depend on electricity until it goes out, and that happens periodically here in sunny Southern California, land of earthquakes. I don&#039;t worry to much about the cold, it&#039;s only ever gotten cold enough here to hail once in my entire life, and that was 20 years ago. But loosing power to the refrigerator and the air-conditioner in 100+ degree heat can be a serious problem out here, especially since the house I live in was originally built in the 1950&#039;s, and renovated in the 1960&#039;s. The archetects never took passive solar design into consideration in these old bungalows, so it heats up like an oven and stays hot all through the night during the summer. 

The last time the power went out, we just got out the camping gear and lit the hurricane lamp and candle lanterns. But it was the food in the refrigerator we worried about loosing the most. That&#039;s really when I started thinking about alternative power sources.

Sage</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Situations like this are one of reasons I&#8217;ve really wanted to get my landlord&#8217;s permission to install a hybrid solar/wind power system for the house. Alot of people don&#8217;t realize how much they depend on electricity until it goes out, and that happens periodically here in sunny Southern California, land of earthquakes. I don&#8217;t worry to much about the cold, it&#8217;s only ever gotten cold enough here to hail once in my entire life, and that was 20 years ago. But loosing power to the refrigerator and the air-conditioner in 100+ degree heat can be a serious problem out here, especially since the house I live in was originally built in the 1950&#8217;s, and renovated in the 1960&#8217;s. The archetects never took passive solar design into consideration in these old bungalows, so it heats up like an oven and stays hot all through the night during the summer. </p>
<p>The last time the power went out, we just got out the camping gear and lit the hurricane lamp and candle lanterns. But it was the food in the refrigerator we worried about loosing the most. That&#8217;s really when I started thinking about alternative power sources.</p>
<p>Sage</p>
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		<title>By: Wade</title>
		<link>http://countrylife.lehmans.com/2008/09/16/powerless-and-unprepared/comment-page-1/#comment-700</link>
		<dc:creator>Wade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 17:22:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AD4BL writes:

&gt;Never ever run a camp stove inside no matter 
&gt;what the kind of fuel. The majority of deaths 
&gt;from Ike in the South land was from carbon
&gt;monoxide poisoning.

I&#039;ll have to look for those numbers.  That&#039;s an education issue and a sad state of affairs.  My heart goes out to the families involved!

Given the divergent fuel sources required by off-peak heating, we&#039;re replacing the CO detector battery (along with our smoke detector batteries) every year and are at least peripherally aware of potential problems that way.  

Happily, in regard specifically to &quot;camping&quot; type appliances, that&#039;s no place we have to go unless it is truly an emergency.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AD4BL writes:</p>
<p>&gt;Never ever run a camp stove inside no matter<br />
&gt;what the kind of fuel. The majority of deaths<br />
&gt;from Ike in the South land was from carbon<br />
&gt;monoxide poisoning.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll have to look for those numbers.  That&#8217;s an education issue and a sad state of affairs.  My heart goes out to the families involved!</p>
<p>Given the divergent fuel sources required by off-peak heating, we&#8217;re replacing the CO detector battery (along with our smoke detector batteries) every year and are at least peripherally aware of potential problems that way.  </p>
<p>Happily, in regard specifically to &#8220;camping&#8221; type appliances, that&#8217;s no place we have to go unless it is truly an emergency.</p>
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		<title>By: AD4BL</title>
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		<dc:creator>AD4BL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 15:15:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Never ever run a camp stove inside no matter what the kind of fuel.
The majority of deaths from Ike in the South land was from carbon
monoxide poisoning.

If the phone system is still operational, a corded phone will work.  A
wireless phone will not work without power.  A cell phone will work until the batteries run down.

For water, store water in gallon jugs and rotate it on a regular basis, if nothing else, you can use it to flush the toilet.

Emergencies in Alaska in the winter can be life threatening.  We loose our water and the heat tape that keeps the well operational.  We do have a wood stove but that won&#039;t keep the water lines from freezing in an extended outage.  We have a satelite internet system and the modem will operate on a 12 volt system as will the laptop.  I am also a ham operator so have communications thru that.

This is a good time to look at your preparations for emergencies and make the changes that you might need for your household.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Never ever run a camp stove inside no matter what the kind of fuel.<br />
The majority of deaths from Ike in the South land was from carbon<br />
monoxide poisoning.</p>
<p>If the phone system is still operational, a corded phone will work.  A<br />
wireless phone will not work without power.  A cell phone will work until the batteries run down.</p>
<p>For water, store water in gallon jugs and rotate it on a regular basis, if nothing else, you can use it to flush the toilet.</p>
<p>Emergencies in Alaska in the winter can be life threatening.  We loose our water and the heat tape that keeps the well operational.  We do have a wood stove but that won&#8217;t keep the water lines from freezing in an extended outage.  We have a satelite internet system and the modem will operate on a 12 volt system as will the laptop.  I am also a ham operator so have communications thru that.</p>
<p>This is a good time to look at your preparations for emergencies and make the changes that you might need for your household.</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah N</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sarah N</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 16:29:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, I thought northeast Ohio was &quot;safe&quot; from hurricanes, too! Guess not! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I thought northeast Ohio was &#8220;safe&#8221; from hurricanes, too! Guess not! <img src='http://countrylife.lehmans.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Wade</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 15:01:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greg writes:

&gt;It is amazingly annoying to not have the internet 
&gt;or water available at the tap of a button or turning 
&gt;of a faucet

Without a doubt.  Happily, our ISP still maintains a modem pool.  In the event we lose our broadband- we fire up the old laptop and we&#039;re back in business.  It&#039;s annoyingly slow by comparison . . . but it gets the job done!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg writes:</p>
<p>&gt;It is amazingly annoying to not have the internet<br />
&gt;or water available at the tap of a button or turning<br />
&gt;of a faucet</p>
<p>Without a doubt.  Happily, our ISP still maintains a modem pool.  In the event we lose our broadband- we fire up the old laptop and we&#8217;re back in business.  It&#8217;s annoyingly slow by comparison . . . but it gets the job done!</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 14:21:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is amazingly annoying to not have the internet or water available at the tap of a button or turning of a faucet. However, it is nice to know that we will not be scared of the fire going out or worried about how we will sustain ourselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is amazingly annoying to not have the internet or water available at the tap of a button or turning of a faucet. However, it is nice to know that we will not be scared of the fire going out or worried about how we will sustain ourselves.</p>
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